In this first edition of the De Nieuwe Wereld's broadcasts on Digital Sustainability, journalist and philosopher Ad Verbrugge talks to INNOPAY's Douwe Lycklama, Focco Vijselaar, Director-General for Industry and Innovation at the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs and Climate Change, and Marleen Stikker, founder and director of Waag. They discuss the question: "What does the film 'The Social Dilemma' teach us about digital sustainability?"

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